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May 27, 2020

When Will the Recession End? (Thinks Out Loud Episode 289)

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When Will the Recession End? (Thinks Out Loud Episode 289) — Headlines and Show Notes

It’s pretty clear we’re all living through a Covid-19 driven recession. And while we know that the recession will end, no one knows for sure when the recession will end. However, it’s probably safe to assume that it will last at least as long as an average recession, give or take. What’s more important is what you do now — for your customers and your business — to ensure you’re putting yourself in good shape both for the time being and when we finally come to the end of the recession.

How can you do that? The latest episode of Thinks Out Loud walks you through it. Here are the show notes for you.

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April 1, 2020

How Marketers Can Plan for the Recovery (Thinks Out Loud Episode 281)

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How Marketers Can Plan for the Recovery (Thinks Out Loud Episode 281)

With the continued bad news about the Covid-19 coronavirus, I realize it might be a bit early to start talking about how marketers can plan for the recovery. But it's not too early to start thinking about it. Even better, some options that exist to help you once the recovery comes can help generate positive outcomes for your business — and your community — right now.

For starters, three separate solutions have to occur before the recovery can begin. These are:

  1. Health. First, nothing gets better until we've addressed the underlying health crisis. If we're going to flatten the curve, people have to stay indoors and socially isolate. That's bad for business. But it's necessary for us to get where we need to go.
  2. Money. Of course, the acts that are best for health are terrible for business and have led to record layoffs — and, for many businesses, record economic hardship. Ideally the stimulus package (and hopefully packages) will help reduce the economic impacts. But once the health crisis lessens, we're still going to need to see improvements in the economy before business returns to normal.
  3. Trust. Finally, even if we're able to eliminate the underlying health and economic troubles, people still have to feel comfortable that there won't be any continuing health and economic risks. And how people feel about the "new normal" will play a critical role in driving the actual recovery.

Still, while we're likely months away from a true economic recovery, you can start planning. More importantly, you should. What should those plans look like? That's what this episode of Thinks Out Loud is all about.

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March 4, 2020

The Lost Art of Value Adds in Marketing (Thinks Out Loud Episode 277)

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Whether it's the threat of novel coronavirus COVID-19, election uncertainty, or just general malaise, the economy seems to be on uncertain footing at the moment. Which may lead you to think you should cut prices to drive sales. Except, as we've discussed before, that's a terrible idea. Instead of cutting prices, we've long recommended you practice the lost art of value adds in your marketing. Why? Well that's the subject of this week's episode of Thinks Out Loud.

In this episode, Tim Peter talks about why cutting prices is like running a race you can't win, the connection between prices and customer value, and how you can use value adds to set your company up for success when business is tough — or, for that matter, when it's going great too.

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January 7, 2020

Your Digital Marketing New Year’s Resolutions (Thinks Out Loud Episode 270)

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Your Digital Marketing New Year's Resolutions (Thinks Out Loud Episode 270) – Headlines and Show Notes

Happy New Year, folks, and welcome to 2020. Hope your year is off to a great start already. And, if you're looking for some ideas on how to make sure that 2020 works out to be a great year for your business, Tim Peter & Associates' president Tim Peter has some digital marketing New Year's resolutions that you'll want to check out on the latest episode of Thinks Out Loud.

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Transcript — Your Digital New Year's Resolutions

Well. Hello again everyone, and welcome back to Thinks Out Loud, your source for all the digital marketing expertise your business needs. My name is Tim Peter. This is episode 270 of the big show, and this is our first show of 2020. Happy New Year, everyone, thanks so much for tuning in. I really appreciate you being here.

I think we've got a really cool show. You may remember I closed out our last episode, episode 269, which of course I will link to in the show notes, with the decade in review. I took a look at the biggest trends, the biggest details, the biggest facts that you needed to be aware about as you got ready for 2020 and 2021 and 2022 we go on from here. And I thought I would start off this episode this year, this decade, with a couple of new year's resolutions for folks in digital, a couple of things that are really important as you go forward to help you grow your business and to adapt to the reality that you know we're going to see over the next couple of years.

So just to recap what I talked about in the last episode briefly, and again, I'm going to link to it in the show notes. I don't want to spend a lot of time telling you something I already told you, but I talked about, you know, mobile and the changing customer experience and AI and Google and how you can think strategically and most importantly, how you need to keep learning.

Because the one thing that digital does is it changes quickly, right? It allows for the rapid integration and disintegration of value chains, and it's important that you just keep learning.

Resolution #1: Keep Learning

So my first new year's resolution, the first resolution I would encourage you is to, in fact, keep learning. And in some ways I want to end with that one, but I also think it makes a lot of sense to start with it because ultimately, no one can really predict the future. As much as I like to try, as long as, as much as I like to think I can see the writing on the wall or connect the dots, the reality is, you know, I'm probably as wrong as often as I'm right. And the one thing that remains true is if you can't predict the future, then you need to be really good at adapting to the future.

And so being able to learn and being committed to learning and being focused on learning continually and continuously is incredibly important to ensuring you're successful throughout the course of your growth as a marketer, your growth as a digital strategist, your growth as a leader within your organization.

That's really key.

Resolution #2: Invest into the Downturn

The other thing that I think is a key resolution as we go forward in 2020 is that you need to be prepared to invest into the downturn. Now I want to be very clear. I am on record that I don't think we're going to face a recession next year. I talked about this in episode 264 which again, I will link to in the show notes, but in case there is a recession, you're much better off acting as though there will be a recession and having that not be true then acting as though there won't be a recession and having that not be true. Right? The only thing worse than planning for a recession that doesn't happen is not planning for a recession. But there is a way to prepare for a recession the right way and to think about how to market in a recession the right way. And that is to continue to invest into the recession.

Now, that doesn't mean throwing all your money at all of the things you always plan to do. We've talked about this before. I'm in favor of a model that I refer to as "core and explore," which technically could be a resolution unto itself, but I'm going to keep these two together for the moment. But the idea is that you spend 80 to 85% of your energies and your budget on the things that you know work. And you keep 15%, maybe 20% of your budget in reserve to test new ideas, new opportunities as they come along. Right? So the core is the 80% to 85% you focus on the stuff you know works, and we explore is that 15% to 20% that you're keeping in reserve.

The nice thing about that is that if in fact the recession hits really hard and you need to put a little bit of that 20%, of that 15% in your pocket, it's there waiting for you without slashing what you'd already intended to do. Because you've taken 80 to 85% and you've focused it on the things that you know work and you can keep fishing where the fishing's good.

That would include things like performance marketing. That would include things like investing in your content. That would include things like investing in social in a way to get customers to tell a positive story on your behalf, providing them content that they can share with their friends and family and fans and followers.

And then that extra 15 to 20% is they are waiting for you as new opportunities come up that allow you to, you know, invest where you see the opportunities. Now, why do I think it's important to invest, even if there's going to be a downward turn? And the reason is because your competitors won't. What you really want to do in a recession is you want to make the recession, you want to make any downturn, you want to make any challenges, your competition's problem. Let them be the ones to scale back marketing and then use that as an opportunity for you to steal share. The worst thing to do when your competition is running scared is join them, right? Let them be the ones who've run around like crazy people or stick their heads in the sand or hunkered down and you know, ignore their customers.

That's the worst thing you can do because when you do that, is you get customers to expect a lesser customer experience, or you get customers to forget you because you're not marketing. You're not putting yourself in front of them at times of need. Because if you're facing some economic problems, obviously your customers might be facing some challenges too.

They have problems, they have challenges, they have needs and they will remember "who was there for me, who helped me at a time when I needed it?" So you want to market intelligently. You want to market on the channels that produce a return for you today and double down on those, really focus your efforts on the channels that work best for you. But also keep some money available, keep some resources available, keeps some time available to explore those places where maybe this is the time to try it. You know, whether it's video, whether it is some paid social, whether it is something else that comes along the way — SMS marketing? — that you haven't tried before to see, does it help you reach a new customer or reach a customer in a different way that you haven't tried before?

Resolution #3: Enlist Your Customers in Curation and Creation of Positive Brand Story

The next resolution that we want to talk about, of course, is how do you enlist your customers in the creation and curation of a positive brand story? You know, one of the things that we've talked about a lot, that I talked about a lot in 2019, is how much gatekeepers like Google and the rest of the frightful five

are making it harder to reach customers economically and organically. They've introduced more tolls along the way to reaching those customers. But what they've also done, and I'm in this case I'm talking especially about Facebook, but also to some degree email and the like, they've made it easier for people to talk to people.

So what you really want to do is get your customers to tell a positive brand story to their friends and family and fans and followers, and help you bypass the tolls that the gatekeepers have put in place. So it doesn't matter if we're talking Facebook, it doesn't matter if we're talking Google. You want to make it that your customers have something to share and a positive story to tell on your behalf.

And again, this is something I've talked about before, so I won't belabor the point, but the idea is that you want to provide content that is snackable, that is shareable, and that is sharp for your customers to share with their friends and family and fans and followers.

By snackable I mean your content needs to be easily consumed. It can't be, you know, walls of text. Think about something that allows people to consume it on their mobile device easily and readily, and answer the question that they need so that they can get on with their life.

What I mean by shareable is a, there has to be some mechanisms there for them to be able to share it. So there should be a share button. It should fit in a tweet or a text easily. But also it needs to be something that they would care to share. It needs to be emotionally engaging enough that somebody would want to share it. How does it make them look good? Look smart, look funny, look engaged to the people that they care about, right? People only share things that make them look good. So make sure that it's shareable from that perspective.

And when I say it's sharp, of course what I mean is that it's to the point. The point is very clear. What do you want them to do? How does this help them answer their questions and let them get on with their day?

And if you can do that really well and you can encourage them to do that, then you're actually enlisting their participation in this process. You're helping them help you.

Your Digital New Year's Resolutions: Conclusion

So to recap the three big New Year's resolutions, I would focus on as a digital person are one, keep learning, keep growing. Keep finding ways to get better at what you do to invest into the downturn. Two, act like there might be one and invest intelligently so that you're set up regardless of whether or not that turns out to be true. You can do that. This is sort of 2A of the resolutions. You can do that by using a "core and explore" process. Think in terms of how you can focus on the areas where you're the best position and also keep a little bit of powder dry to use where opportunities present themselves. And finally, enlist your customers in the process. The best way to compete in the marketplace today where gatekeepers are putting tolls and putting roadblocks between you and your customers is to get customers to participate in that storytelling on your behalf.

If you do that, I feel pretty confident that at the end of this year you'll be looking back and saying, wow, this was a really great year for us because we made the right resolutions and committed to them at the start.

Your Digital New Year's Resolutions: Show Closing

Now looking at the clock on the wall, we are out of time for this week. But I'd like to remind you that you can find the show notes for today's episode as well as an archive of all our past episodes by going to TimPeter.com/podcast, again that's TimPeter.com/podcast. Just look for episode 270. While you're there, you can click on the subscribe link in any of the episodes you find to have Thinks Out Loud, delivered to you every single week.

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Until then, please be well, be safe, and as ever take care of everybody.

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October 8, 2019

Should You Quit Marketing and Become a Data Scientist Instead? (Thinks Out Loud Episode 261)

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Should You Quit Marketing and Become a Data Scientist Instead? (Thinks Out Loud Episode 261) — Headlines and Show Notes

Given the rise of data science in marketing, whether for personalization, AI, predictive analytics, or whatever comes down the pike next, you wouldn't be criticized for asking whether you should quit marketing and become a data scientist. But is that really a good idea? Is the future of marketing nothing more than writing algorithms? Or is there a future for creative people who focus on the customer in total.

The latest episode of Thinks Out Loud looks at whether you should quit marketing and instead focus on becoming a data scientist – and how you can best succeed no matter what the future of marketing, or data, holds.

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Should You Quit Marketing and Become a Data Scientist? (Thinks Out Loud Episode 261) – Transcript

Well, hello again everyone and welcome back to Thinks Out Loud, your source for all the digital marketing expertise your business needs. My name is Tim Peter and this is episode 261 of the big show. I think we've got a really cool show for you today, a lot of interesting stuff to talk about.

I want to start with a conversation I've been having with a number of marketing professionals lately around data, and what you as a marketer really need to know about data and how much you need to care about data, and I want to be really clear about this. Data is incredibly important when we talk about marketing today, you know, personalization and artificial intelligence and all of the many things that are going to make marketing more effective in 2020 depend on data.

But I think when we have that dialogue, a lot of marketers think they need to be data scientists, and I don't want to suggest that data isn't important. But what I do want to suggest is that it's not your job to be the data scientist. Instead, it's your job to ask the right questions of the data scientists.

I mean, if you want to be a data scientist, by all means you should. It's a great field. It's really interesting. You will be endlessly employable for the next, oh I don't know, decade or so. But your job as a marketer is to think about the business implications, to think about the implications for customers, to think about the customer experience.

I think of data, I think of the way companies should look at data almost like a two-by-two matrix, kind of like a BCG group matrix where the axes are on the, on the X-axis, do we have the data and on the Y-axis, do we know what questions to ask, right? And I sort of presuppose these are yes-no questions, but it clearly, it's going to be more of a spectrum.

You could do a two-by-two, you could do a three-by-three, but fundamentally it comes down to one of four positions, which are:

  1. Yes we have the data and yes, we know what questions to ask;
  2. Yes we have the data and no, we don't know what questions to ask;
  3. No, we don't have the data and yes, we know what questions to ask; and of course
  4. No, we don't have the data and no, we don't know what questions to ask.

Now I think too many companies spend their time worried about "no we don't have the data, but we know what questions to ask" and "no, we don't have the data and we don't know what questions to ask." And I think that's kind of a mistake. Now obviously if you don't have data and you know what questions to ask, so number three on my list, right? No, we don't have the data, and yes, we know what questions to ask then you need to go get the data.

But if you think about Douglas Hubbard's essential book, "How to Measure Anything: Finding the Value of Intangibles in Business," which I've talked about before, Hubbard points out a series of rules for data that include 1) you have more data than you think, 2) you need less data than you think, and 3) new data is more readily available than you think.

So if you know the questions to ask and you don't have the data, getting the data itself is not the hard part. You know, it's become very popular to say data is the new oil and I don't think that's true. Data is not oil because oil is hard to come by. Insights are the new oil. Insights require the mining and the digging and the prospecting that you would expect to do if you were actually in the business of, I don't know, going out and exploring an oil field. But you have a ton of data and typically getting meaningful answers is easier than you think it is from the data that you have, excuse me, getting new data is easier than you think it is.

I saw a really interesting thing the other day that Google will let you automatically purge data. You can go into your settings in gmail or YouTube or Google Search, and it will automatically purge data after three months or after 18 months. And what's interesting about that to me is how specific those periods are. You know, why doesn't Google let you purge data after one month? Why doesn't it let you purge it after six months? Why doesn't it let your purge it after 12 months? It's either three or it's 18. Maybe that's just easier to program, but I would bet that the recency of the data that they want suggests that the data Google collects, they've probably found gets less useful as it gets old. It loses its predictive power. So they want to keep it for at least three months so they can learn something from it, and ideally 18 months or longer, but I bet after 18 months they don't really care because it probably doesn't tell them much.

So what's more interesting is yes, we have the data, but no, we don't know what questions to ask. And for you as a marketer, that's not a data science problem. That's an insight problem. That's being able to think about how you want to help your customer, and the kinds of products and services you want to offer, and the way you want to promote that, and the channels in which you want to sell it and the way you want to price it. That's where the really fascinating parts come in. Not that data science is not fascinating, but it's the kind of thing that you as a marketer can do with a better understanding of your customers.

Look at examples of companies where success seemed obvious in hindsight. We all know tons of these questions of these examples, but why were they successful and why did it seem obvious in hindsight? Because they knew how to ask the right questions and how to formulate the right thesis about what it was they were trying to do.

If you think about Uber, they had a fundamental insight about the quality of taxi services and the utilization of black car service. You know, there were lots of cars sitting idle. Why don't we connect the driver and the rider? Yes, it took data, but the fundamental insight was, man, there's a lot of cars sitting around and man, a lot of passengers who were unhappy with the quality of the service they're getting. Obviously they followed that up with peer-to-peer. What we think of as Uber today, UberX, actually didn't come around until two years after the company started and Sidecar and Lyft really started the peer-to-peer concept, but again it came down to asking can we make the drivers more useful and can we make the passengers more happy, right? I mean that's, that's fundamentally the really cool thing.

And I want to be fair, I'm definitely for purposes of this discussion, ignoring Uber's less than savory behaviors, but the point isn't to lob at the company for its ethics or behaviors, only to note their early insight and those of other folks in understanding, hey, we've got the opportunity for a two-sided market here. How do we put those together?

If you think of Airbnb, very similar concept, this time just for hospitality. If you think of a Stitch Fix, great company understood changes in shopping behavior. People have less time, people need a little bit more support, and so just went to a very simple model that has made them profitable since 2014.

And if you go much further back, you know, look at Amazon. My favorite story about Amazon is Amazon didn't set out to be a bookstore because Jeff Bezos had some abiding love of books. But instead, according to an article on entrepreneur.com, he drew up a list. Jeff Bezos drew up a list of 20 potential products he thought might sell well via the internet, including software, CDs, and books. Now I'm reading directly from this writeup. "After reviewing the list, books were the obvious choice, primarily because of the sheer number of titles in existence. Bezos realized that while even the largest superstores could stock only a few hundred thousand books, a mere fraction of what is available, a virtual bookstore could offer millions of titles."

Notice what they said. Books were the obvious choice. Were they? I mean clearly selection played a role and clearly so did the ease of shipping books. But if it was so obvious, why didn't Barnes & Noble or B. Dalton or Borders get there first? And the answer is not because they didn't have data that would tell them this would work, but because they didn't have the insight. They didn't ask the key question that might have made, I don't know, Borders be the Amazon of today. They missed the mark and it wasn't because they didn't have the data. It's because they didn't ask the right question.

So when you're thinking about how can I as a marketer use data to personalize, or use data to empower artificial intelligence and the like, think in terms of do we have the data, and more importantly, do we know what questions to ask? Because if you can do that well, you're going to do great regardless of what happens five years down the road, 10 years down the road, and that's a much better place to be.

Now looking at the clock on the wall, we are out of time for this week, but I want to thank you again so much for tuning in. I genuinely appreciate it and I want to remind you that you can find the show notes for today's episode as well as an archive of our past episodes by going to timpeter.com/podcast. Again, that's timpeter.com/podcast. Just look for episode 261.

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